Note: This post may contain statements that I no longer consider true.
See: The Vivos mRNA Appliance Didn't Improve My Obstructive Sleep Apnea.
I’ve been wearing my Vivos mRNA Appliance for eight months now. The CPAP pressure trend continued to decline very gradually this month, suggesting that expansion is slowly improving my airway. I feel less sleepy during the day, particularly in the afternoons, but this is still probably mostly due to adapting to CPAP therapy at this point.
I have expanded the upper appliance a total of 8.8 mm sideways and 7.8 mm forwards, and the lower appliance 7.5 mm sideways. The reason for the difference is that I’ve had to stop in the past due to impingements, but I haven’t had any problems with that this month. I stopped dancing the lower appliance at 6.5 mm when I felt my jaw muscles getting tense.
My health continues to improve gradually but this is a glacially slow process. I still don’t do any cardio exercise but I rarely find myself hampered by daytime sleepiness now and I have only mild flu-like symptoms and a slight tension headache. I’m still not sleeping with the facemask but wear it during the day whenever I can.
My compliance continues to be excellent, averaging 16.4 hours/day in approximately 1-2 hour cycles, thanks to my usage tracking spreadsheet. When I don’t have the appliance in my mouth, I’m always either talking, singing, eating, doing Myofunctional therapy exercises or chewing mastic gum.
The CPAP pressure trend continues to show a very slight and gradual overall downward trend this month, suggesting that the expansion is improving my airway so the CPAP machine has to work less hard to stent it open:
It’s going to take a while to get over the hump though since the pressure was increasing each month for the first six months of mRNA Appliance treatment, presumably before the airway impact of expansion started to kick in:
There was a slight increase in central events this month, but not as big as last month’s reduction. My AHI has been below 5 pretty consistently, particularly in the last 2 weeks, mostly due to a reduction in Central events over the previous 7 months:
Overall, my AHI using the combination of CPAP and mRNA Appliance has reduced significantly over the last 8 months, largely due to the reduction in central events which I attribute to reduced emotional stress and acclimation to CPAP therapy:
I get the impression from posts in the Adult Non-surgical Palate Expansion Facebook group and Vivos Therapeutics Support Facebook group that most patients using a Vivos DNA Appliance have only mild or moderate sleep apnea and see improvements more rapidly, although I’ve also heard of cases where they started getting results around 12 months into the process. My suggestion to anyone else considering using an mRNA Appliance is to make appliance usage a top priority, but balance this with other compelling activities that make life worthwhile in the meantime, so you can stick with it in the long haul.
15 Comments
Michael Steele · July 24, 2021 at 8:59 AM
How has the mastic gum been working for you? No TMJ problems from chewing such hard gum every day?
Graham Stoney · July 24, 2021 at 12:25 PM
It’s going fine thanks Michael. No TMJ problems so far. Maybe my masseter muscle has gotten stronger, but mastic gum doesn’t feel all the hard to me now. Cheers, Graham
ERIK · June 17, 2021 at 2:46 PM
Have you considered going back and doing the Silent meditation retreat again?? You might have very different experience this time around..
Graham Stoney · June 17, 2021 at 4:13 PM
I’m never putting myself through that again; but I am planning to hibernate during July. Does that count?
oprah · June 16, 2021 at 9:34 AM
the discord user also posted his cbct scans on the discord if you wanna see it.
Graham Stoney · June 16, 2021 at 10:47 AM
You’re welcome to post a link to it if you want other people to see it. I don’t often use Discord. Cheers, Graham
oprah · June 16, 2021 at 9:32 AM
here is another failed case – posted on the discord
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17hgzSKDtT2zSIO1zRGFWj2er-vD3yEhchIlo5XI-IP4/edit
Graham Stoney · June 16, 2021 at 10:46 AM
I feel his pain. For me this highlights the problem of CPAP being promoted as the “gold standard” treatment for obstructive sleep apnea, when in fact all it does is mask the symptoms in some people and then gets used to deny insurance coverage for others who really need surgery to correct the anatomical problem. There are some errors in the letter however, as other forms of treatment have been shown to be effective for some people; even MMA that he’s requesting is most effective when combined with DOME or MSE. Cheers, Graham
Vick · June 9, 2021 at 9:34 PM
Hi,
7 mm forwards and side to side sounds like a pretty remarkable change, do you believe that the appliance could be a viable solution to mild underbites? Or are changes in the device size not necessarily reflected 1:1 in actual palate size/dental arch size?
Graham Stoney · June 10, 2021 at 1:00 PM
Hi Vick. I don’t have any experience with underbites, but I guess it’s possible. It’s not 1:1 but I’m not sure what the exact ratio is or how much is dental vs alveolar/skeletal. Cheers, Graham
Erik · June 8, 2021 at 1:57 PM
Has you energy, strength, brain fog, anxiety and tolerance to exercise improved?
Graham Stoney · June 8, 2021 at 3:59 PM
I’d say Yes to all of those. Shields at 70% and holding.
yuhzimi · June 12, 2021 at 7:14 AM
I’m so happy to hear that Graham. I know how it feels!
Enoch · June 8, 2021 at 3:22 AM
I’ve expanded my lower appliance about 4mm and I’m seeing a gap between the lower right central and lateral incisors. I don’t think the teeth are flaring, but I’m not really sure what to look for. Do you think this is a sign that I’m advancing too fast at 1 turn per week?
Graham Stoney · June 8, 2021 at 7:33 AM
You’re going to get gaps between teeth that weren’t there before as the bone they’re in expands. If the teeth aren’t flaring and you’re not experiencing pain, it’s probably a sign that your lower jaw is expanding. If you’re concerned about it, check with your provider next time you see them. Cheers, Graham.